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Red Lodge | Sep 06, 2011 08:45 AM

By Heather Hansen, Red Lodge Clearing House

Among hundreds of protestors who spent three days in jail in Washington D.C. for publicly opposing the Keystone XL pipeline, a 1,700-mile-long conduit planned to carry crude oil from Canada’s tar sands to Gulf Coast refineries, was Bill McKibben, author and founder of 350.org.

When he was released from the D.C. cell block, I asked McKibben why opposing this particular project is so important to him. “Keystone is a greatest hits of environmental disaster. You get leaks and spills, climate change and utter destruction at the source,” he says. (Read more on the pipeline protests and see a map of the proposed route here)

Keystone pipelineA Canadian energy company, TransCanada, wants to build the XL to supplement the existing Keystone pipeline—which began pumping 435,000 barrels of oil from Alberta to Illinois last year—to transport an additional 500,000 barrels through Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas.

Pipeline proponents say the XL will create jobs and lessen U.S. dependency on oil from hostile sources, while hardly disrupting the environment. In weighing whether the risks of the pipeline are worth the rewards, two questions arise: Who will it help? Who will it hurt? When answering them, several myths about the pipeline emerge.

XL myth #1: The pipeline will greatly reduce our reliance on crude from antagonistic nations. This is blatantly false. The U.S. imports 10 million barrels per day (bpd) of petroleum. The Keystone XL would have the capacity to transport 700,000 bpd. Even if every drop of that raw crude was refined in Texas and made it into U.S. fuel coffers—which, given the number of diesel-hungry nations in the world, ishighly unlikely—demand would not be significantly impacted. TransCanada’s literature itself says, “When completed, the Keystone Pipeline System is expected to provide five per cent of current U.S. petroleum-consumption needs.” Five percent does not security make.

XL myth #2: This new crude supply will precipitate a price drop at the pumps. A fuel supply of this size would barely alter consumer prices in the U.S. To the contrary, this project is vulnerable to two things that disrupt supply and cause cost spikes—hurricanes in the Gulf and leaks from the lengthy pipeline.

XL myth #3: This project means a huge number of American jobs. Energy and Commerce Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) recently told the New York Times that, “Instead of coming to the table with constructive ideas, environmentalists are using a 2010 pipeline spill…to foment opposition to the Canadian Keystone [XL] Pipeline project, which promises to create 100,000 jobs.”

Unfortunately, that’s a cruel exaggeration. In its literature selling the supposed benefits of Keystone XL, TransCanada talks about the number of “person years of employment” that the project will create – not the number of jobs. Montana, for instance, is supposed to see 5,500 person years of employment. That means if the XL lives a projected 50 years, and each person employed works on the project for 10 years, for example, 550 jobs would have been created.

The total “person years of employment” for all six states the pipeline would cut through is 89,500. If all the people employed worked for five years, 17,900 jobs  would have been created – not an insignificant number, but certainly a fraction of what Rep. Upton is using to justify the pipeline.

XL myth #4: The pipeline and the environment would be simpatico. This is multi-faceted fallacy.

The Department of State’s (DOS) recently-released report on the pipeline—the Final Environmental Impact Statement—says it would “have no significant impacts on most resources.” It’s a perplexing conclusion given some of the major weaknesses the report itself highlights. For example, the DOS notes that the existing Keystone pipeline has failed 14 times since it began operation last year. During each incident corrosive crude was spewed into the environment; 21,000 gallons of it during one incident. The agency estimates that the XL will fail from 1.78 to 2.51 per year.

Which areas (of the many with sensitive ecology) would be spoiled by these events is impossible to predict, but some places would be particularly undesirable. For example, the XL would cross the Yellowstone River in Montana, which has yet to recover from its last tainting, in which 42,000 gallons of ExxonMobil crude contaminated hundreds of miles of river.

The pipeline would also run over a massive Midwestern underground water source called the Ogallala Aquifer, which waters America’s breadbasket (accounting for about one-fifth the annual U.S. agricultural harvest and $20 billion worth of food on the world market). In a letter to the DOS, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) expressed concern about the Ogallala saying, “If a spill did occur, the potential for oil to reach groundwater in these areas is relatively high given shallow water table depths and the high penneability of the soils overlying the aquifer. In addition, we are concerned that crude oil can remain in the subsurface for decades, despite efforts to remove the oil and natural microbial remediation.” However, in its report the DOS says, “In no spill incident scenario would the entire...aquifer system be adversely affected.” That’s not exactly a reassuring statement.

Even some XL supporters in high-impact states are damning of the DOS analysis. The Northern Plains Resource Council, which is working to help landowners in the pipeline’s proposed path to protect local interests, says the DOS blatantly ignored their request for both emergency response plans and a blueprint for what will happen to the abandoned pipeline when it’s lost profitability.

Another major concern for XL opponents is what happens at the source of the crude mining, which has global implications. In addition to being a water-consumptive and energy-intensive process, the greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions from drawing petroleum from tar sands are much higher than with conventional extraction. Per barrel of crude sands oil, the amount of carbon dioxide released is 15 to 40 percent higher.

In its letter of concern, the EPA also urged the DOS to press Canada on how it will mitigate GHGs (after which Canadian Environment Minister Peter Kent said his government won’t release even draft regulations for new tar sands plants until the end of 2012).

But in its obfuscating treatment of the GHG issue, the DOS actually compliments the oil sands industry for being less filthy than it used to be. And yet, it estimates the annual CO2 emissions from the XL would be from 3 to 21 million metric tons. “This range is equivalent to annual greenhouse gas emissions from the combustion of fuels in 588,000 to 4,061,000 passenger vehicles,” it says. Adding the equivalent of 4 million vehicles’ worth of climate-altering gases to the atmosphere per year is hardly something to pat a company on the back for, nor is it the environmental albatross we want to hang heavily from our children’s necks.

I share the concerns of XL opponents—including the grandmothers, farmers and tribal chiefs that McKibben stood elbow-to-elbow with in D.C. A “keystone” is a heart, a linchpin, a guiding principle. To the contrary, the Keystone XL should not be central to our energy or environmental future. It’s a project that will likely hurt many more people than it helps.

In his examination of the pipeline plan, President Obama should not be deceptively drawn into XL mythology. The public can comment on the XL until October 9. A final decision on the pipeline is expected by year’s end.

Essays in the Range blog are not written by High Country News. The authors are solely responsible for the content.

Heather Hansen is an environmental journalist working with the Red Lodge Clearinghouse /Natural Resources Law Center at CU Boulder, to help raise awareness of natural resource issues.

Kelly Adam
Kelly Adam Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 10:31 AM
Perhaps Heather Hanson should check her facts. They are called OIL sands because oil is trapped in the sand. Tar is created from coal. Of course "tar" sounds much worse, so why let a little fact like that get in the way.

The oil sands operators have made tremendous strides in developing extraction methods to separate the oil from the sand. Most water is recycled and the carbon footprint from oil gleaned from the Fort Mac deposits are equal or less than that from conventional methods of production. If people want to educate themselves I suggest they purchase the book "Ethical Oil" by Ezra Levant.
Heather Hansen
Heather Hansen Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 11:06 AM
Kelly has her terminology wrong - according to the USGS, "Natural bitumen accumulations...are generally known as 'tar sands', a generic term that has been used for several decades to describe petroleum-bearing rocks exposed on the Earth’s surface. Other terms for such accumulations include oil sand, oil-impregnated sand, asphaltic sand, rock asphalt, bituminous rock, and bitumen-bearing rock." The terms are interchangeable.

And, yes, the commenter is correct, extracting oil from tar sands is slightly cleaner than it used to be, but it remains one of the filthiest energy sources on earth.
Kelly Adam
Kelly Adam Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 01:01 PM
Filthiest energy sources on earth? Not likely. Yes, the Alberta oil sands is comparable to the size of Florida, yet only 2% of that is accessable by opn pit mining. The remainder of the oil can be extracted using SAGD technology. Also, the air quality at Fort Mac is cleaner than most cities and the water quality of the Athabasca River downstream is cleaner than upstream.

On earth, you have Nigeria, Burma, China, Venezula, etc. that have near-to-none environmental controls and they burn off usable natural gas from their drilling efforts rather than sell it as a commodity.

Yes, some ducks (+/- 1,600) died in a tailing pond a few years back when the cannons failed to work - yet that number is miniscule in comparision to how many birds are butchered each year by wind farms.

You have a choice - buy your oil from unstable governments that deny their citizens Human Rights and also fund terrorist groups or buy your oil from a friendly neighbour who recognizes the Human Rights of its people and takes care of its environment.

Do yourself a favour and learn the truth about the oil sands - not the propoganda that Greenpeace and the other so-called "environmental" groups spew.
Sarah Gilman
Sarah Gilman Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 01:12 PM
Kelly--What is SAGD technology? Also, I'm curious: What do you make of the Environmental Protection Agency's assessment that tarsands oil is much more greenhouse gas intensive to extract than conventional oil? EPA is not an environmental group like Greenpeace, but it seems to agree with the assessment that the fuel is especially dirty among fossil fuels.

Do you have any read on how likely tarsands oil is to supplant oil received from what you describe as hostile/un-human-rights-friendly countries? Or is it just extra to help supply a growing need? The replacement vs. supplement question seems like a relevant one.

And for the record, pet and feral cats are far and away more destructive to birds than windfarms. Oil and gas operations in are also a major source of avian mortality: http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/PRESSREl/11-64.html
Good discussion!

--Sarah Gilman
Associate Editor
High Country News
Sarah Gilman
Sarah Gilman Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 01:13 PM
Caveat: I should have said "more greenhouse gas-intensive to produce" rather than "extract".
Steve Snyder
Steve Snyder
Sep 06, 2011 01:45 PM
Mr. Adam, a book called "Ethical Oil"? Tar sands output less CO2 than conventional oil? Be honest - as I Google your name. Are you a PR flak? Per the link below, the site ethicaloil.org, at least, riffing on your book, is funded by Canadian oil companies. http://www.ethicaloil.org/news/huffpo-on-our-new-tv-ads/

So, come clean, Kelly Adam.
Robert C Short
Robert C Short Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 01:46 PM
Isn't it interesting that some people have the "FACTS" and the rest of us have to rely on "propaganda." The term "tar sands" is used by most discussing the Keystone XL. It is not just the extraction, but the pipeline that will go through private land and under a few major rivers just to reach Texas.

Propaganda has it that about 97% of that oil is destined for the international market.

Check out another piece of propaganda in the Audubon magazine by Ted Williams. Clinton's campaign committee's deputy director Paul Elliot is now a D.C. lobbyist for TransCanada.

I live in Michigan and the Kalamazoo River is still not cleaned up. Check out pipeline ruptures! The responsible company is a owned by TransCanada.
Steve Snyder
Steve Snyder
Sep 06, 2011 01:49 PM
Ezra Levant, author of Ethical Oil, per Wiki, is a conservative Canadian activist. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ezra_Levant

So, folks, ignore Kelly Adam until he/she comes clean as to what sort of flackery they're doing.
Jesse Tigner
Jesse Tigner
Sep 06, 2011 02:17 PM
I suspect this post will garner a fair bit of comment and discussion. So, I’d like to throw out now that it’d be constructive if that discussion were factual. Already, there are glaring errors obvious interpretational slants in both the story as well as the some of the comments.

Firstly, the area of land under which oil sands lie is far bigger than the state of Florida. Current known deposits sit more or less under the entirety of northern Alberta, and stretch into western Saskatchewan, eastern BC, and most likely the southern Territories, though limited exploration has been done there to date so Territorial deposits are unclear. Florida? Try from FL up the eastern seaboard to northern Virginia and west into Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi…

Secondly, I’m not sure many folks disagree with the notion that oil sands aren’t dirty, Kelly. Even here in Alberta and within the energy sector there is a very real understanding of how much carbon is produced from this process. That said, there are big bucks being spent to remedy this problem—efforts ranging from scrubbers on stakes a la 1970s and 1980s era Clean Air Act efforts to major carbon sequestration programs.

Thirdly, TransCanada is not an energy company, they are an infrastructure or pipeline company. In other words TransCanada is in no way involved in the exploration or production of hydrocarbon resources (bitumen, gas, or otherwise), they are in the business of transporting the stuff (their motto is “In business to deliver” afterall…). Literally 5 seconds of research on TransCanada’s website reveals this. While this may seem like a small detail, it is not. This resource is currently being exploited by a number of actual energy companies and if the Keystone XL line doesn’t deliver it the Gulf another one will deliver it somewhere else. Thus, attacking a pipeline does absolutely nothing to prevent any environmental impacts associated with the mining of oil sands.

More importantly, however, is that this omission or belying speaks volumes to the general tone of the article. Like it or not, the world runs on fossil fuels. And like it or not using more Canadian-produced fossil fuels will reduce your dependence on “non-friendly” foreign sources. And like it or not constructing a pipeline to transport the raw crude will provide some jobs, as will the increased refinery demand resulting from more crude in Texas needing processing. Why are those points always argued and said to be unimportant? I think it’s hard to argue Kelly’s points on some other countries the US imports oil from have simply awful environmental records, and that those laws that currently exist in Canada and Alberta are light years ahead of others’.

If what’s at issue are environmental and human health concerns you are fooling yourself by thinking that standing elbow to elbow with farmers and grandmas against a pipeline from your friendly neighbors to the north is the solution. Oils spills will very likely happen, and they are dramatic and unfortunate when they do, but what’s more concerning, to me at least, are the very real and definite impacts that occur at the site of resource extraction. They are huge, and not readily reversible (better water quality downstream than up? Ha!, what a joke!). Unfortunately, as I said above, they have nothing to do with the Keystone XL pipeline because this resource is being mined and if the US doesn’t want it, China and India do.

FYI, SAGD stands for Steam-assisted gravity drainage. It is the process of injecting steam into the ground to “loosen” heavy oils and bitumen so the substance changes from a peanut butter-like consistency to a more viscous one. This facilitates easier, collection and pumping out of the ground.
Sarah Gilman
Sarah Gilman Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 02:23 PM
Jesse--Thanks for the thoughtful comment. The primary reason that opposition on this side of the border is directed at the pipeline is that it's pretty much the only leverage tarsands opponents in the U.S. have against such development in Canada. See Assistant Editor Cally Carswell's recent article: http://www.hcn.org/issues/42.14/crude-combat

Sarah G.
Associate Editor, HCN
Steve Snyder
Steve Snyder
Sep 06, 2011 02:25 PM
Also, a note to HCN staffers ... in the future, when a "Kelly Adam" pops up again, before responding, do a quick use of teh Google, like I did.
Steve Snyder
Steve Snyder
Sep 06, 2011 02:28 PM
And, Jesse, are you also just a "concerned neighborly Canadian," or do you too have a professional stake?
Steve Snyder
Steve Snyder
Sep 06, 2011 02:33 PM
Assuming I have the right Jesse Tigner, one would think a biology professor at the Univ. of Alberta would be more concerned about the amount of boreal forest loss, would admit the truth on how much the tar sands oil has increased Canada's CO2 emissions to the point it won't come close to Kyoto targets and other things.
David Groenfeldt
David Groenfeldt Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 02:49 PM
I have been surprised at how the environmentalist position on the pipeline makes so little reference (and none in this article) to environmental justice in general, and indigenous cultural rights specifically. Canadian First Nations have been raising the alarm about tar sands exploitation for a number of years, and the Indigenous Environmental Network has played an important role in the Washington, DC protests, but when the arguments against the pipeline are laid out, they focus on the mainstream issues of energy security and CO2; but not on alternative economic analysis (which would try to put a cost on the environmental, human, and cultural impacts), or the ethical argument that destroying Nature at multiple levels simultaneously (e.g., planetary CO2 and more localized trashing of the forests, surface, and groundwater), is an ethical issue, or that indigenous communities have a moral right (if not technically a legal right) to their traditional territories. Let's not shy away from an ethical discussion that examines the values being expressed by the pipeline, and opens up those values to public display and debate. For more on the environmental justice perspective on the tar sands issue, see the IEN report at www.ienearth.org/docs/IENFactsheet_2.pdf, and for more about applying an ethics perspective to policies affecting water ecosystems, see the Water-Culture Institute (www.waterculture.org) and join the Water Ethics Network (http://waterethicsnetwork.blogspot.com).
Jesse Tigner
Jesse Tigner
Sep 06, 2011 02:55 PM
Well, both I guess. But I will say that here in Canada (I am originally from the US) these types of issues are refreshingly much less polarized and the rhetoric is much less driven by personal attacks and know-it-all-y BS. This gives most people the opportunity to think critically and thoughtfully about a given issue, effectively weighing both the positive and negative sides. Having experience with both US and Canadian approaches to discussion and debate, I can say that people rely less on an either-or / black and white interpretation and take more time to wade through the shades of grey.

So that said, I am concerned as do I have both a professional and personal stake. As an Albertan the energy sector provides a huge personal benefit to me as it pays for my health care (tops up what taxes do not cover), will result in my children’s 4-year college education costing less than 1 semester at many American universities, etc. As a professional ecologist I am employed by the energy sector where I work for a small frontier exploration company. My role in the company is to monitoring cumulative effects and disturbance footprint and to develop research projects where we operate to test and improve best practices. And, as a resident I am concerned over the sheer ecological impacts of this human land use, and am hopeful that those socio-political differences here will result in positive changes in the way this sector does business.
Jesse Tigner
Jesse Tigner
Sep 06, 2011 02:58 PM
See above. A couple min of Google research doesn't make you a researcher, nor does it enable you to summarize my views. Close with the U of A connection, though.
Sarah Gilman
Sarah Gilman Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 03:41 PM
Steve--A note of clarification: As long as the discourse is civil, everyone is welcome to share their knowledge and opinions in this forum regardless of their professional and personal affiliations. It's helpful to remember that most people often have much more complicated points of view and motivations than such affiliations might suggest.

Sarah G.
HCN Associate Editor
Wendy Beye
Wendy Beye Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 03:58 PM
As a Montanan, I know I have no right to tell Canadians how to regulate their oil and natural gas industry. I do, however, have a right and duty to help decision-makers in my state and country understand the consequences of allowing pipelines and gigantic oil sands extraction equipment to cross our boundaries, jeopardizing our environment and way of life. I believe the risks far outweigh any projected economic or national security benefits. The statement "if the Keystone XL pipeline doesn't deliver it to the Gulf, another one will deliver it somewhere else," does not logically lead to a conclusion that the U.S. should simply shrug and say, "Go ahead. Why not?"
Dave Cochrane
Dave Cochrane Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 04:55 PM
The pipeline has nothing to do with oil...Its about water...The pipeline will bring Canadian water to the United States. Look at the logistics...
Dave Cochrane
Dave Cochrane Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 04:55 PM
The pipeline has nothing to do with oil...Its about water...The pipeline will bring Canadian water to the United States. Look at the logistics...
Steve Snyder
Steve Snyder
Sep 06, 2011 05:01 PM
@Jesse ... first, I said "if ..." As for your comments about Googling, besides noting the "if" on you, neither you nor Mr./Ms. Adam has attempted to actually defend the book Adam touted, nor the funding that's likely behind it as well as the website. Otherwise, "snide" away ... no skin off my back.
@Sarah ... I understand; at the same time, were this "that" Jesse Tigner, "conflicted" would be the word, not "complicated." And, I repeat my "invitation" to HCN staff to further Google background themselves. I got the details about the book and the author, and the apparent financial backing. I also got close enough on Mr. Tigner, as he admits.
@Wendy, don't forget the traffic issue in the western part of your state that HCN has already written about. Jesse and Kelly, western BC awaits instead, as a traffic route.
@David, well put. Can't remember if HCN has done anything on that yet, but most First Nation peoples in the area are strongly against expanding the project. Including for environmental reasons. Guess Canadian oil companies either don't pay ecologist to talk about that, or do pay them not to.
Kelly Adam
Kelly Adam Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 05:40 PM
The Natives in N.E. Alberta are benefiting from oil sands development. The Syncrudes and Suncors of the oil sands are training and employing Natives. They are earning livings and do not have to rely on government handouts.

Water quality is better in the Athabasca River and (I believe if memory serves me correct) it NOW only takes 1-1/2 barrels of water to produce a barrel of oil. Yes, technology is improving!

Any areas that are disturbed are reclaimed. This is not an option. Some small areas have been certified reclaimed already and more will be in the future. Of course, with any development you are bound to have disturbances and these have been addressed.

Ecologically the oil sands are not the mess people make them out to be. Economically it is costing less and less to extract the oil as new technologies come on line (Eg: SAGD). From an ethical stand point why would the U.S. even consider sources from other countries with unethical practices when all their energy needs could be met from a friendly neighbour up north?

For the record, I have indeed worked for big oil - when I was a teen as a gas jockey. Google away, kids! :-)

If you take the time to learn and compare you will soon discover that oil sands is not dirty oil. If you want to discuss options I would if I were you take the oil from Fort Mac over the oil from the deep sea rigs out in the gulf. Risks...yikes!
Kelly Adam
Kelly Adam Subscriber
Sep 06, 2011 06:01 PM
Sarah, I am not familiar with the EPA assessment and when it was published may have bearing to if it is relevant or not. Many strides have recently been made to reduce the energy required to extract the oil from the sands.

From what I have read, the Saudis are not plesaed that they are no longer the top exporter of crude to the US. Their lobbyists will do much in Capital Hill to dissuade the US government from increasing Canadian oil imports. Canada is not part of OPEC.

Steve, I commented to an article from the Omaha newspaper regarding the XL Pipeline. Is this what you discovered on your Google search? By all means, read the book "Ethical Oil". You probably have no idea who Ezra Lavant is (or for that matter even care) but check out the book - it's interesting and does indeed shed light on those "myths" about the dirty oil from Fort Mac.
Terry Stuart
Terry Stuart Subscriber
Sep 07, 2011 07:27 AM
The point of protesting the Keystone XL pipeline is to stop Tar Sands development in one of the most pristine places on the planet. I believe the undisputed facts are: (a) a pipeline is the only way to move this remote “oil” to market and (b) all pipelines leak. The routing options are West through the Canadian Rockies to the pristine Pacific coast and aboard ship through the Queen Charlotte Islands (imagine the physical, political and environmental challenges!), or south through some variant of the XL proposal.
Tar hydrocarbons, like shale oil, are relatively young and not as cooked by earth’s heat and pressure as Saudi crude. They have to be diluted with benzene to be fluid enough to flow, and they require significantly more processing in the refinery. At the protests in DC last week I met natives who spoke of the tar’s toxicity and the impacts of current strip mining. Moose, caribou, salmon and many people have cancerous growths indicating severe pollution of air, land and waters, waters which drain north through some of the purest ecosystems on the planet. Strip-mining a pristine boreal forest the size of Florida into wastelands like the mountain areas of West Virginia and rendering a virtual holocaust on treaty protected indigenous people is something I want the USA to oppose vigorously!
If we are going to make desperate efforts to cope with our energy appetites, I want to see desperate efforts directed toward sustainability. The opportunities are here today and many have been here for decades. If we added to the price of gasoline our government’s (DOD, State Department, etc.) expenditures on behalf of assuring of foreign oil supplies and let the “free market” do its job, I expect conservation alternatives (and our federal deficit) would look a lot more attractive. To me almost anything looks more attractive than this destructive nightmare.

Sarah Gilman
Sarah Gilman Subscriber
Sep 07, 2011 08:37 AM
Kelly--It's in the EPA's response to the State Department's Keystone XL EIS. If you Google it (yes, Google! We even use ADVANCED Google searches here at HCN!) you should be able to find it.

--Sarah G.
HCN Associate Editor
Kelly Adam
Kelly Adam Subscriber
Sep 07, 2011 08:58 AM
Terry, I appreciate your concern, but you have some facts that need correcting.

Yes, the area that contains oil sands is indeed the size of Florida, but not all of it can be strip mined. Only 2% of the area can be accessed by that method of extraction as the overburden is just too deep. ANy strip mining that takes place MUST be reclaimed - no if, ands or buts about it. The remainder of the extraction will utilize SAGD process and pictures of a SAGD wellhead just doesn't convey the same shock and awe as pictures of strip mining the media loves to print.

Oil has been naturally seeping into the Athabasca River forever long, long before anyone had the idea of exploiting the resource. Explorers in the 1700's wrote in their journals of the oil and how the Natives would waterproof their canoes with it.

The pristine boreal forest you refer to covers thousands of square miles and only a small prtion of it will be disturbed by mining methods, and no there are not salmon in the Fort Mac area.

Cancer rates in the local Native populations are no higher than anywhere else and no other illnesses have been attributed to the oil sands developments.

Before you commnet on the Natives and their Treaty Rights you best learn what those rights include.

I wish people would learn the truth about the oil sands and learn that it isn't the dirty oil they have been led to believe by the environmental groups.

The world is energy hungry and it isn't going to end tomorrow. Canada's crude oil is America's best option right now.
Kelly Adam
Kelly Adam Subscriber
Sep 07, 2011 08:59 AM
Sarah, I will do that. Thanks for the info!
Stephanie Paige Ogburn
Stephanie Paige Ogburn Subscriber
Sep 07, 2011 09:25 AM
A comment on this thread has been deleted because it contained a personal attack. We appreciate your comments, folks, but please keep it civil and post on the substance of the article and the comments below. See our comment policy (http://www.hcn.org/policies/comments-policy) for more information.

Thanks,

Stephanie Paige Ogburn, online editor.
Steve Snyder
Steve Snyder
Sep 07, 2011 04:01 PM
Kelly Adam, once again, YOU need to get YOUR facts straight rather than engaging in PR, whether professional or nationalist. To the best of my knowledge, Saudi Arabia has never been the No. 1 exporter to the U.S. I know that in recent years, Mexico and Venezuela, as well as Canada, have been bigger oil exporters to the U.S. Add in that the tar sands will make up, at most outlandish estimations, less than 1 percent of exports by all nations to the U.S., and Keystone has the Saudis cringing *not a whit.* If we're going to learn the truth about the oil sands, it won't be from what you say, what a Canadian Conservative Party hack writes in a book, etc.
Kelly Adam
Kelly Adam Subscriber
Sep 07, 2011 05:42 PM
Steve, I don't rely on just one source for my information. Regardless, if the info is presented by a Conservative or a Liberal (or a Democrat or a Republican in the U.S.) facts are facts.

Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall says it best, "...the real agenda is “protectionism masquerading as environmentalism.” Check out this link -> http://business.financialpost.com/[…]/

I'm looking forward to hear what comes out of the National Speakers' Conference this Friday.
Richard Pfautz
Richard Pfautz Subscriber
Sep 20, 2011 10:01 AM
I am a pipeline welder fou 798 the union who will build that pipeline. A lot of people do not understand how much work goes into work such as the XL. We deal with everything such as environment land owners. X-Rays nothing is left to chance!
Kelly Adam
Kelly Adam Subscriber
Sep 21, 2011 11:22 AM
Steve writes: "...and Keystone has the Saudis cringing *not a whit.*"

Well Steve, the Saudis are not a bunch of happy campers right now and they will do everything in their power to prevent CDN oil to be piped south of the border to the US.

Check this out:

A pro-industry group that promotes Canada’s “ethical” oil sands has sparked an international row with a television ad attacking Saudi Arabia’s record on women’s rights.

The offending ad ran on the Oprah Winfrey Network in Canada, and is now appearing on SUN TV, but a planned run on CTV’s Newsnet was cancelled due to legal concerns after a lawyer for the Saudis wrote a letter of complaint....lawyers from the international law firm Norton Rose LLP sent “cease and desist” letters to the national advertising watchdog, as well as to media companies, warning about potential legal action.

Link to full story -> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/[…]/







 

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