Trump’s Interior pick confounds conservationists

Montana Rep. Ryan Zinke evokes Roosevelt, but his record has veered away from environmental protection.

 

The Montana congressman whom President-elect Donald Trump named to head the Interior Department wants people to think of him as a Teddy Roosevelt conservationist. His Twitter bio describes him as a “Teddy Roosevelt fan.” “Like Teddy, I believe our lands are worth cherishing,” Rep. Ryan Zinke, a Republican, wrote in an opinion piece in the Billings Gazette in April.

But Zinke’s efforts to associate himself with Roosevelt ring hollow for some environmental activists in Montana who have for years fought his efforts to extract more coal, oil, gas and timber from public lands, and an examination of his record shows that in recent years, his positions, particularly on public lands and climate change, have veered away from environmental protection.

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Ryan Zinke spoke at the Conservative Political Action Conference 2016.
Gage Skidmore/Flickr user

John Todd, conservation director of the Montana Wilderness Association, ticks off one anti-environmental effort after another from Zinke. For instance, Zinke voted for the Sportsmen’s Heritage bill, which could allow dam building, logging and temporary roads in wilderness areas. Zinke recently held listening sessions on a draft bill that would undermine a president’s authority to designate national monuments under the 1906 Antiquities Act by requiring approval from state governors, counties and property owners. Roosevelt, the first president who had that authority, used it widely to preserve treasured places such as California’s Muir Woods, Utah’s Natural Bridges and Wyoming’s Devils Tower. “All of those (Zinke’s actions) run counter to the things that Theodore Roosevelt stood for,” Todd says.

But as a politician from a state where enthusiasm for the outdoors is nearly ubiquitous, Zinke tries to project an image as a rare breed: a pro-conservation Republican. He pushes for access to public lands and supports the Land and Water Conservation Fund, which uses oil royalties to acquire public lands. He also distances himself from the Sagebrush Rebellion call for public lands to be transferred to state control. “Selling off our public lands is a non-starter. I’ve voted against budget resolutions and bucked party leadership on more than a couple occasions to defend our lands,” Zinke wrote in the Billings Gazette.

Zinke quoted Roosevelt after Trump named him the head Interior, where he will oversee 500 million acres of land, about one-fifth of the nation and 70,000 employees, including many scientists. Some 40 percent of the nation’s coal comes from lands managed by the department, which also oversees oil and gas development on and offshore. The agency also is entrusted with protecting endangered animals and plants, wilderness areas and national parks. “I shall faithfully uphold Teddy Roosevelt’s belief that our treasured public lands are ‘for the benefit and enjoyment of the people.’ I will work tirelessly to ensure our public lands are managed and preserved in a way that benefits everyone for generations to come. Most important, our sovereign Indian Nations and territories must have the respect and freedom they deserve,” he said in a statement.

Trump reportedly was urged to pick Zinke by his son Donald, Jr., an avid trophy hunter. “My administration’s goal is to repeal bad regulations and use our natural resources to create jobs and wealth for the American people, and Ryan will explore every possibility for how we can safely and responsibly do that,” Trump said in the same statement.

Like the president-elect, Zinke has drawn a line when it comes to permanently giving away federal lands. This summer, he was among the GOP faithful selected to draft the party’s platform. But he resigned his position in opposition to a provision that calls for handing over federal lands to states. “What I saw was a platform that was more divisive than uniting,” Zinke said at the time, according to the Billings Gazette. He addressed the GOP Convention in July, but spoke only about military issues and international affairs.

A fifth generation Montanan who grew up right outside of Glacier National Park, Zinke is best known on the national stage as a former Navy Seal with strong opinions about foreign policy. Anne Hedges, deputy director of the Montana Environmental Information Center, recalls that her first impression of Zinke in 2009, when he was a state senator, was that he was also a “conservative conservationist,” which reflected the politics of his district. “Initially, I really liked him. His can-do spirit and willingness to buck the establishment was refreshing. I remember lobbying him in his first session; he was quite moderate. He was very receptive to environmental concerns and his votes reflected that,” she says.

For instance, he opposed efforts to weaken the state’s Environmental Policy Act and supported renewable energy. In 2010, Zinke signed a letter from state legislators calling on Congress and President Obama to embrace comprehensive clean energy and climate change legislation. “The climate change threat presents significant national security challenges for the United States – challenges that should be addressed today, because they will almost certainly get worse if we delay,” the state legislators, including Zinke, wrote.

But after an unsuccessful bid in 2012 to be Montana’s lieutenant general, he no longer seemed open to environmental causes, Hedges recalls: “The shift was like someone turning off a light switch. There was not much more room to work with him.”

In Washington, he has focused more on extraction than conservation. When he first ran for Congress in 2014, he named as his biggest issue, getting approval for a silver and copper mine beneath the Cabinet Mountains Wilderness south of Libby. Conservationists were concerned that the Montanore mine would dewater the wilderness area. (The mine recently won federal approval but the state has only permitted a first stage.) Fossil fuel extraction companies and their electric utilities figure prominently in the list of Zinke’s major donors. Oasis Petroleum was his top donor, according to an analysis by campaign finance watchdog group, Center for Responsive Politics. And Cloud Peak Energy, which mines coal in Montana and Wyoming, kicked in $10,000. All together oil and gas companies, their owners and their employees contributed about $160,000 to his reelection bid, according to the analysis.

The Cabinet Mountains Wilderness is a relatively small wilderness area in Northwest Montana that contains habitat for grizzly bears, wolves and other top-end predators.
Scott Butner/Flickr user

In Congress, Zinke championed a bill to overturn Interior Secretary Sally Jewell’s moratorium on new coal leases on federal land. He also opposed the Obama administration’s rules to improve environmental protections during hydraulic fracturing on public lands, and to protect waterways from coal mining and other development.

Although he frequently declares his opposition to public land transfers, he couches his position by stressing that local folks are better than Washington bureaucrats at determining the appropriate balance between the multiple uses of public lands. For instance, he sponsored a bill to allow management of federal lands by panels appointed by state governors. “Montana can manage our lands better than Washington,” Zinke said in a 2014 debate.

“That’s a distinction without much difference,” says Hedges. Hedges believes that Zinke’s ambition for higher office motivated him to change his views to align with GOP leaders and their big donors. For instance, after supporting national climate legislation a few years earlier, in a 2014 debate for his House seat, Zinke rejected the clear message from scientists that humans are causing climate change. “It’s not a hoax, but it’s not proven science either,” Zinke. “But you don’t dismantle America’s power and energy on a maybe. We need to be energy independent first.”

Still by opposing the land transfer movement and supporting access to public lands and the Land and Water Conservation Fund, Zinke has won friends in the sportsmen’s crowd. Dave Chadwick, director of the Montana Wildlife Federation, says he doesn’t see eye-to-eye with Zinke on coal and other fossil fuels, but believes Zinke is earnest in trying to emulate Roosevelt.

“We might disagree with him about how completely his actions are in line with what Teddy Roosevelt might want,” Chadwick says. “But I think he’s sincere when he calls himself a Teddy Roosevelt Republican.”

So far, it’s unclear how Zinke will mesh with the rest of the incoming administration. Trump’s picks to head the Energy Department and Environmental Protection Agency have long histories in promoting fossil fuels and fighting environmental regulations. Trump’s pick for Energy, Rick Perry as Texas governor, sued the EPA for its finding that carbon dioxide is a pollutant –the Supreme Court sided with EPA. And to top the EPA, Trump selected Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt, who in recent years has sued to overturn one environmental rule after another, including cleaning mercury from power plant exhausts to reduce haze over national parks. Chadwick hopes that if Zinke is confirmed by the Senate and becomes Interior secretary, he will lead other Republicans to embrace conservation as the bipartisan value it once was.

This article has been updated to correct the title of John Todd, of the Montana Wilderness Association, of which he is the conservation director, not director of the Wyoming Wilderness Association. It has also been updated to accurately reflect Zinke's 2012 bid: it was for lieutenant general, not attorney general.

Correspondent Elizabeth Shogren writes HCN’s DC Dispatches from Washington.  

Steve Bonowski
Steve Bonowski Subscriber
Dec 20, 2016 12:42 PM
Rep. Zinke certainly presents a mixed bag, but he seems far better to me than some of the other names that were getting tossed around in the past couple weeks.
David W Hamilton
David W Hamilton Subscriber
Dec 20, 2016 01:34 PM
We must remember that TR was a mixed bag of contradictions so you can run a lot of bad policy behind that smokescreen! ....One obvious point....you cannot say that you are a Teddy Roosevelt Republican and then propose taking the Antiquities Act from the presidents quiver!..
The real problem is that there is so much that is vague, equivocal and contradictory in Zinke's statements that they are all rendered pretty meaningless! The devil is in the details!....and the devil is soon to be in the presidency!!....and we don't know what he really thinks either....this Country has bought a pig in a poke....and we will soon begin to see whether or not it is wearing lipstick!
Steve Bonowski
Steve Bonowski Subscriber
Dec 20, 2016 01:41 PM
David: Zinke is a typical Montana politician; one who is often independent in not following the party line. At least that is what family members who are long time Montana residents tell me about their state-wide elected officials. Devil is in the details; that is clear. But, while I did not vote for Trump, even though a lifelong traditional conservative Republican, I'm willing to have an open mind.
Neill Smith
Neill Smith Subscriber
Dec 20, 2016 03:06 PM
This Dude doesn't sound too much different than Trump's other Federal Agencies Secretary picks. Definitely, no Teddy Roosevelt. We are in trouble.
ron gerard
ron gerard
Dec 20, 2016 06:44 PM
Just another HARVARD grad initiated into the club.......I miss earth first, back when we knew the only way to stop this stuff is with a monkey wrench. Dont think the Lakota think like ya'all. They know only a monkey wrench works, the diff is they put their bodies in the cogs......that is grace under fire......kind if like drinking a beer at the rev then asking one of the slinky keeps for a date.........you are the monkey wrench and they grind you up.
Steve Engel
Steve Engel Subscriber
Dec 20, 2016 08:42 PM
Hey, there are numerous places in this article where the text doesn't jive. What's up with that HCN? E.g., "Although he frequently declares his opposition to public land transfers, his couches his position by stressing that local folks..." E.g, "...sued the EPA for its finding that finding that carbon dioxide is a pollutant –the Supreme Court sided with EPA." E.g, "...Attorney General Scott Pruitt, who in recent years has sued to overturn one environmental rule after including cleaning mercury from power plant exhausts." Minor items compared to the topic at large but I still expect better from you.
Stevie Winewood
Stevie Winewood
Dec 21, 2016 01:19 AM
Now, I'm wondering when 'former Navy SEAL' Jesse Ventura will pop up.
Ironically, the Secty.-designate shares a last name with the (late Emeritus) Prof. Paul Zinke of UC-Berkeley,
who as far back as 1981 was compiling world carbon budgets, with a focus on soils.
Perhaps this Zinke will collaborate with 'liberal', wealthy MT landowners like David Letterman,
Ted Turner, etc., even if only on wild horse and endangered species projects.
Mark Rozman
Mark Rozman
Dec 21, 2016 06:57 AM
I know it's difficult for some, but can we just give people a chance BEFORE condemnation ? Don't you think you deserve that at the very least ? Oh, and how did your monkey wrench gang thing turn out ? Badly, that's how. Here's a news flash, National Parks are for preservation, ALL other Federal lands are for utilization, in one way or another. As far as Wild Horses go, they are not indigenous, they are feral. They are shipped by the tens of thousands to Canada and Mexico for slaughter, because the NIMBY's don't want it done in the U.S. Still happening. Grizzlies and Wolves will be hunted in small numbers and will be strong, sustainable populations. Common sense will prevail. Yes, Virginia, the adults will be making decisions now. Happy hunting and MERRY CHRISTMAS !!
David W Hamilton
David W Hamilton Subscriber
Dec 21, 2016 10:47 AM
Happy Solstice!!.....and Io Saturnalia!!....With a New Year of much interest For us all....and all the unsuspecting critters who are, sadly, subject to our dominionist machinations!!
You can deny Global Warming and the Sixth Extinction all you want.....but Mother Nature has plans for us mortal arrogant fools ... The Werewolf is coming out of his gilt and bling haunts...but so is Nemesis!!...Our rendezvous with destiny awaits us all!!
HAPPY HAUNTING!!
David W Hamilton
David W Hamilton Subscriber
Dec 21, 2016 05:02 PM
RE: Steve Engel's puzzlement...
While one must be very careful about criticizing ES .....it is safe to say that she is no Amanda Marcotte!...or Lindsey Gilpin , for that matter!!..It really isn't fair to blame HCN for her famous penchant of " he said/she said" approach...with all its muddled and contradictory vagueness...She is not a journalist but, rather, a reporter from "The Village" . Her value to us must be scene in her ability...intended or not...to convey to us Westerners the approach the Eastern Establishment takes to us mushrooms out here in the Hinterlands...and it remains clear that it hasn't much changed from the attitudes that Bernard DeVoto described from His "Easy Chair" at Harpers Magazine decades ago!!
Gaynell Terrell
Gaynell Terrell
Dec 21, 2016 06:44 PM
You can judge Zinke by his record on military issues. A former Navy Seal, he has nevertheless voted down veterans' benefits and health service five times. Just because he's from an outdoors mecca such as Montana doesn't mean he will do right by environmental and land use issues.
Steve Bonowski
Steve Bonowski Subscriber
Dec 22, 2016 08:20 AM
Gaynell: how Mr. Zinke voted on military/veterans issues is not an indicator of how he will manage the Department of Interior. Also, it would be useful to know what was contained in those bills for which he voted no; and his reasons for his votes.
Mark Rozman
Mark Rozman
Dec 22, 2016 12:39 PM
Exactly Steve, those riders are attached to onerous legislation to encourage conservatives to vote "no" on them, giving the appearance of non-support. For the last eight years there has been no compromise from the left. It has been my way or the highway. Now, the pendulum swings in the right direction, hopefully for a long time. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Conservative adults win over crybaby liberals, who only are concerned with their "pet" issues, gay bathroom B.S., gay marriage and, of course, P.C. Liberals are never concerned with national debt, national sovereignty, national military strength and many other far more important issues. Fortunately, we will rebuild the Supreme Court in a non-legislative, conservative manner. Happy hunting and MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL.
Steve Bonowski
Steve Bonowski Subscriber
Dec 22, 2016 12:45 PM
Sorry Mark. But your comments are as nebulous as those by Gaynell. As a traditional conservative Republican myself, I strongly oppose attempts by authoritarian big government to discriminate against gays, including opposing marriage; regulate behavior in citizens' private lives; and and believe that the whole "bathroom issue" is one cooked up by far right wing religious zealots. "P.C." is a whole different issue and not really part of protecting the environment.

In any event, and back on topic, I have an open mind about Mr. Zinke and wish him well.
Mark Rozman
Mark Rozman
Dec 22, 2016 12:54 PM
My children will never be in a multi-stall bathroom with an unknown. Aint gonna happen. The whole gay thing has been rammed down our throats and enough is enough. I believe in live and let live until someone tries to tell me what to do. Over before it starts. Mr. Zinke as well as the other cabinet choices made by President Trump will be given an opportunity to perform their duties to the best of their abilities, free from the crying of basement-dwellers. As far as P.C. goes, where do you think a large percentage of the ethanol we are forced to burn comes from ? Hint, it's NOT the U.S. Happy hunting.
David W Hamilton
David W Hamilton Subscriber
Dec 22, 2016 04:39 PM
It is most interesting how Mr. Rozman is so very, very concerned that no one....repeat,,,NO ONE!...tells him what to do....while he is very free and easy with telling everyone else what they should do...including the rest of the World, it appears! It does appear that he inhabits that narcissistic world in which rules are made for the sole purpose of keeping others from getting in the way of his absolute right to do whatever he wishes without any restraint!
Unfortunately, for Mr. Rozman, a civilization simply cannot be managed under such terms.....it is the giant and fatal flaw in Libertarianism.....everyone has to get out of the way of the privileged individual in question and become an enabler .....isn't that the definition of Autocracy?
Neill Smith
Neill Smith Subscriber
Dec 22, 2016 06:29 PM
David W. Hamilton, has corrected this flawed determined flow, by some narrators in this comment series.
Mark Rozman
Mark Rozman
Dec 23, 2016 09:44 AM
David, you incorrectly described me, but you correctly described militant gay activism to a tee. Only in liberal bastions like Oregon, can the state fine a privately owned business for exercising their 1st amendment rights. Screw them. What happened in North Carolina yesterday ? The state legislators actually followed their constituents' wishes and refused to repeal their "bathroom bill". People have had enough of this crap rammed down their throats, that is why President Trump was elected !! Y'all lose, bye bye. I do not tell people what to do or say or think, but liberal elitists sure do. Bye losers. Can't stand reason and maturity, get back in the basement where you apparently belong.
John Meyer
John Meyer
Dec 23, 2016 12:41 PM
Roosevelt left the Republican Party and became a progressive. Zinke cannot hide behind The Bear.
David W Hamilton
David W Hamilton Subscriber
Dec 23, 2016 06:42 PM
Mark....You are bloody wrong about most everything...including this....The business style of this country has always been based on the principle that, no matter your religious or political views and positions, you left them at home or at church when you rolled up your store window and opened the door for business you were open for business for everyone!...What has become of that basic baseline principle my dear boy? That is the way that I ran my retail enterprise for decades!...it is the way that Jews have survived for centuries in a vicious Christian culture!...It is a huuge mistake to change that paradigm...and we will live to regret the mistake!
Jim Bolen
Jim Bolen Subscriber
Dec 23, 2016 11:10 PM
There is only one party that has moved to the extreme and it is not the Democrats who moved to the center with President Clinton. President Obama has continued in this same moderate vein. Ryan Zinke is a perfect example of how the white nationalist party will eventually corrupt or destroy any moderate republican. It's pretty obvious that Mr. Zinke quickly realized if he wanted to stay elected he would have to tow the line or get replaced by a tea party candidate. Thus his backtracking on global warming, executive actions,environmental protections etc.
And Mark how in the heck did we on the topic of gays? I means who cares what bathroom they use. Straight people are just as likely to be pedophiles as gays . But it is typical of the white nationalist party to demonize minority groups in order to inflame their core group of whites.
Oh well it could on been of been worse;.
 we could have gotten a bimbo like Sara Palin or a wolf hater like Butch Otter
Well enough of this ranting , I think I have eaten too many Christmas cookies and the sugar is affecting my brain
Merry christmas
Mark Rozman
Mark Rozman
Dec 24, 2016 07:38 AM
Of course I'm wrong....ask any liberal socialist !! Some folks like numbers and studies, so please tell me if anyone has the courage to, what foreign countries does the U.S. buy ethanol from ? Does rainforest destruction sit well with environmentalists ? Because of lies by omission, most Americans don't hear the unadulerated truth and the WHOLE truth. Do yourself a favor and question your preconceptions, you may be pleasantly surprised, or don't ! MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL WHO DESERVE IT AND ALL WHO CELEBRATE IT !!
Mike McLaughlin
Mike McLaughlin Subscriber
Dec 26, 2016 11:57 AM
I fond it interesting that comments vary significantly from the article's elaborated issues.

Comments are not intended for screechfests against other commentors, but should be monitored to retain only those which related directly to the article. It is probable that comments addressed to other commentor should be immediately eradicated, rather than HCN subscribers being subject to this all-too-common hijacking of comment columns by those frantic to emote about their disagreements.

As one who is evaluating HCN as a valid news source, such descent from civility suggests that the source is on a very typical road to failure, preceded by other news sources in this rot. Instead such comments and forum policy suggest HCN is merely becoming another forum for partisan violence, sacrificing the attempt at accurate observation to that favorite human toy, war..

My entire life has consisted of exploring natural wild places, watching the diminution of species and habitat imposed by human excess. This issue, addressed by the article and author, is beyond merely human infighting, as no side prioritizes what E O Wilson (to screechers: also a "Harvard Grad", who was among the first to understand that fragmenting natural systems was to extinguish their component creatures, extinguishing both the species and the systems from earth) terms biophilia, instead subsuming (this is what bulldozers do. burying) the biosphere as if it were not the progenitor of humans, but instead merely a toy, imagined "property" to be fought over.




David W Hamilton
David W Hamilton Subscriber
Dec 26, 2016 09:58 PM
Mike....I can tell you right now that, particularly in the forum of Western coverage, there is no other news source that will...or can....even come close to what HCN provides!!...And it ain't easy...or inexpensive!!.....You go rummage around the West and report back to us on your discoveries of better news resources than what you find here. I have been a Westerner for all of my three score and more....and have yet to stumble across the Nirvana that you are seeking!! HCN does a damn good job at what it does...and it owes no apologies!!....Under the coming Werewolf and his White Nationalist State we are going to be very lucky if we can hang on to resources like HCN, The Guardian and the Nation....there will not be any new ones coming on....I think I am safe in promising you that!!
We all...and I can be critical of aspects of HCN!!...should take the opportunity to pause at the end of 2016 and raise a
toast to all the journalists, commentators and reporters out there who are defying the fact free discourse that has become the dominant feature of our culture, and are holding to the vital standards that ....just maybe....will pull us back from the abyss of the Dark Age that we are presently poised at!!....We are at dire straits folks...which is why giving to so many alternative, and independent news, environmental, social, human rights, civil rights and animal rights organizations is way up as 2016 draws to a close!! People are getting it no matter the vicious and hateful rhetoric in the poisoned ether!
And, Mike, one other point...if you knew the 400 years of American history as I do....you would know that civility is not a salient feature of our social intercourse!!...It has always been thus...what you see is what you get!...the swamp is not going to be drained anytime soon so, as Truman said..."If you can't take the heat...get out of the kitchen!".
Mark Rozman
Mark Rozman
Dec 27, 2016 05:43 AM
Extinction is a part of evolution. So is climate change. So is journalistic integrity. Whatever happened to reporting the facts, without liberal or conservative spin ? Did that ever exist ? Probably not.
Jim Bolen
Jim Bolen Subscriber
Dec 27, 2016 08:57 AM
The poaching of Tigers,Elephants, Rhinoceros, our white ancestors purposefully eradicating wolves in this country, the clearing of natural habitat by clearcutting and burning, overpopulation and urban sprawl destroying open space destroying migration routes, pollution of our streams and acid rain are not evolution, these are conscious acts by humans and that is why we are in the era of the 6th great extinction.
But I agree that there is a lot of lies,spin and propaganda out there. We do need courses in schools to educate people on how to determine if one is getting factual news. I think HCN would fare pretty well in this analysis.
Anyway Mark since you seem to disagree with most of the articles in HCN, are you saying HCN lacks journalistic integrity?
Mark Rozman
Mark Rozman
Dec 27, 2016 09:43 AM
Yes, fair, balanced, unbiased reporting is missing in many HCN stories because most of the subscribers are just that way, you know, liberal, bunnyhuggers.
Steve Bonowski
Steve Bonowski Subscriber
Dec 27, 2016 12:57 PM
Have to wonder, then, Mark, why you bother to be here, especially since you don't appear to be a subscriber, thus having some "skin in the HCN game?" And, as a conservative conservationist, I find nothing wrong with "liberal bunnyhuggers."
charles           nash
charles nash
Jan 17, 2017 01:04 PM
It appears that the new Interior Secretary understands the very diverse role of the Department of the Interior has in managing federal lands. His stand against the wholesale transfer of federal lands to the states is very wise. Let's give this guy our support, he has a tough job and appears to be headed in the right direction.
HReading
HReading Subscriber
Jan 17, 2017 03:10 PM
I don't see anything worse about this guy than with his immediate successors. Face, it, welfare ranchers and extractive corporations always call the shots on public land, and will do it until they are eliminated, or until the goodies are gone and the habitat is so devastated that it will support NO life. Humans will probably have extincted themselves long before either happens, and good riddance.
Mark Rozman
Mark Rozman
Jan 17, 2017 03:50 PM
I got skin, son. I spend $$$ EVERY YEAR to purchase hunting and fishing licenses that DIRECTLY support conservation. Put your money where your mouth is. Buying mountain bikes, spandex and pepper spray does NOTHING for conservation. Get back to me if really support conservation. Happy hunting.
Steve Bonowski
Steve Bonowski Subscriber
Jan 17, 2017 04:14 PM
Mark: if you re-read what I wrote, I specifically said "skin in the HCN (High Country News) game." My money goes into supporting me as a participant on trail crews; leadership of trail crews; and participating in organizations that support trail crews and advocate for public lands. In other words, I put in sweat equity, which is a bit more than buying licenses. I don't own a mountain bike; spandex; or pepper spray. Satisfied?
David W Hamilton
David W Hamilton Subscriber
Jan 17, 2017 05:19 PM
Yes, Steve...One has to love all the folks who turn up uninvited and unsubscribed on a site hosted by HCN ....and supported by its subscibers....and then proceed to bash HCN as a rag and make all sorts of derogatory assumptions about its readers while sparing no hyperbole in extolling their own virtues as the single-handed bankrollers of the wildlife and the environment!!.....It is truly a phenomenon of the white-wingers that is something to watch.....Mark is merely one of the most egregious examples!
Mark Rozman
Mark Rozman
Jan 17, 2017 07:18 PM
Thank you and to all a good night ! I will leave you to your own machinations.
Richard Clough
Richard Clough Subscriber
Jan 20, 2017 04:38 PM
Mark, if you don't like what you read in HCN then stop reading it and send your biased comments to somebody who sees the USA as not GREAT or FAIR like Mr. perfect (trump) . Your comments are as twisted as your FACTS. Give us a break . Go join Bundy.
Mark Rozman
Mark Rozman
Jan 20, 2017 04:50 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAPPY INAUGURATION DAY !!